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Offline Readmarx

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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #206 on: 00:33 - 22 September, 2019 »
Leave the EU on what terms was not the ballot question hence three years of confusion

Every democratically elected government negotiates with its legislature fully functioning as government does not reveal its negotiating strategy nor need recourse to the legislature unless bound by law to present terms for a treaty or act, etc to the legislature as the British government has bound itself on this case. By refusing to allow the legislate to convene the executive hamstrings its domestic legislation but more importantly runs the clock down to its threat to leave with no deal against presenting a deal with little time to debate or amend. If the deal negotiated is flawed the legislate is coopted by default into a potentially bad deal which is the failure of logic that undid May. By refusing to seek an extension the stark choice is set. Your position ET seems closely aligned to Hypocritical Bastard and the Telegraph “it’s what the people voted for and Boris knows best”?
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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #205 on: 19:21 - 21 September, 2019 »
But both sides have to get ‘approval’ to negotiate. Why should Trumponson keep his hand hidden when the EU have to be open?

As for ‘will of the people’, that’s a meaningless catchphrase created by the legally-proven liars of the leave campaign. Meaningless. It means nothing. Nowt. Nil. Bugger all.
wiil of the peeps just means the referendumb outcome...so not too meaningless...but a soundbite I agree.

Because if you tell all at the outset it's not a negotiation, you get taken for a ride.  I bet the EU haven't said how much they'll concede...May just went into the showroom and said. That's what I want, and I want free car mats with it, but I'll buy it without the car mats anyway.

Anyway I still don't know what it all actually means.

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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #204 on: 15:24 - 21 September, 2019 »
But both sides have to get ‘approval’ to negotiate. Why should Trumponson keep his hand hidden when the EU have to be open?

As for ‘will of the people’, that’s a meaningless catchphrase created by the legally-proven liars of the leave campaign. Meaningless. It means nothing. Nowt. Nil. Bugger all.

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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #203 on: 14:11 - 21 September, 2019 »
PS typing on a pokey phone makes it hard to see spelling and grammatical errors, so you'll have to guess.

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« Reply #202 on: 14:09 - 21 September, 2019 »
There is some legitimacy in the argument that parliament works under the remit of the people. Where parliament is obfuscating the will of the people, there may be a case for closing parliament.

No one can negotiate by explaining in public what taticsvthey are going to use, and how much they are prepared to give and take, which is essentially what parliament is demanding to know. You can understand why they would want to know, but it does rather destroy the negotiations.

So there is an argument to complete the negotiations, then call parliament back say what do you think. That may have been the thinking.

If MPs are failing to act the way the people have voted, then it's time for a referendum.


Now, if course, that's very simplistic, because the argument the MPs are using is that you common  people are fu  :censored ing' stupid and didn't know what you were voting for, we will save you.

As I maintain, I don't know what's best. (I actually don't think anyone else does either, which is why nothing is crystal clear and obvious). I was accused of being arrogant which I find interesting as I don't actually know enough to have a real opinion of value.

So is proroguing of parliament legitimate? I don't know. I can see the arguments from both sides, and if I were trying to negotiate, but had to explain my strategy to the party I was negotiating with, I would resist telling if I could...or fail.

What does piss me off is that many people do have clear view of where they sit and I'm a c :censored t if I don't agree with them.  How can I agree if I don't know enough??..and my suspicion is, they don't either.

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Re: News of the Word
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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #200 on: 19:02 - 19 September, 2019 »
When?

Preposterous, pompous and privileged public schoolboy pr :censored ck - David "cry baby resigner" Cameron - has emerged from his self enforced hibernation from stupidity following his stupid and cowardly decision to split the country with the Tory party's own schism - Yerp. Popping out from his £25k (gig economy and zero hours contract) shepherds hut of upper middle class empathy to bring his slimy shit to the impoverished masses once again the pathetic tw@t is on a book tour. A book bought by W@nkerz [filtered] who read the Daily Mail and Telegraph. The ex prime minister emerged to savage Boris Johnson in the same way someone might be savaged by a slightly too tight woolen jumper. The boring shiny headed pr :censored ck attempted to pour scorn onto serial liar Johnson as though it would somehow suggest to people that Cameron was actually cool, OK, misunderstood or some such other rich boy fantasy. Today the silly c :censored t started on R4 talking in posh and "oh so polite" plummy terms of how he also lied to the queen and told her what to do over the Scottish referendum and by lunchtime had scuttled backwards at such a frenzied pace following the palaces "displeasure" (displeasure is not mentioned about Andrew's nasty sexual exploits of course) that he's disappeared back up his own ar5eh0le [filtered]. Proving that the phenomenal lack of judgement is a genetic hallmark of the bulbous headed fool.
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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #199 on: 13:44 - 19 September, 2019 »
I did.
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« Reply #198 on: 12:53 - 19 September, 2019 »
who said that

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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #197 on: 10:32 - 19 September, 2019 »
Saudi Arabia and Israel seem to be able to do all sorts of shit and no-one seems to care, it's like a political blind spot in peoples' eyeballs.
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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #196 on: 19:08 - 18 September, 2019 »
When a country murders civilians at will and in plain sight it is important to be a good citizen and attain genuine bafflement that your own government or its allies could do such a thing. We’re not talking about the murder of civilians in Northern Ireland by British soldiers because the mere suggestion arouses such righteous anger at the concept that facts cannot be understood and guilt rightly placed. So we’ll just have another inquiry or show trial. Instead it is today the turn of our favoured Middle Eastern ally to whom we sell billions of pounds worth of weaponry used to murder civilians because its very important that we have jobs for these people to go to. The makers of arms, not the murderers. Could get confusing this if you can’t think straight and you’re a regular Facebook user. Oh yes, Saudi Arabia... The place that our British princes (tree huggers not peados) dance and do good things. Yes, Saudi Arabia. Where women are beaten and others beheaded. Saudi Arabia had produced indisputable evidence that Iran attacked it’s oil refinery. Saudi Arabia failed to find evidence that it instructed the murder and butchery of a journalist in its own consulate building. Trump believes Saudi Arabia and the UK is baffled. Be a good citizen and think what you’re supposed to think.
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Re: News of the Word
« Reply #192 on: 13:43 - 28 August, 2019 »
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