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Re: Brexit
« Reply #50 on: 12:10 - 24 May, 2019 »
I see May has finally thrown the towel in.

I was watching the BBC Youtube of it and read a great comment about her 'deal' for the EU - Theresa May is the type of negotiator who walks out of DFS with a full price SOFA.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #49 on: 09:54 - 30 April, 2019 »
No not quite that simple:

Do you want to LEAVE the EU? (No deal) (which sounds like "leave means leave"...except it doesn't mean that)

Do you want to leave the EU but still be tied in and give them money, but have no say over anything? (May deal)

Do you want to stay in the EU? ( as you were ...don't panic, don't panic, everything's under control!)


The Irish backstop was invented by the Irish Tuosirch tauouseeech Taoisearch Primeminister it was never an issue, even by the Irish until he used it for political ends only, and that's a big red herring too.  It's hardly going to go back to a militarised border even if it were custom posts - every other country that boarders on another country seems to manage, are we "special"?


That's the whole point of the whole debarcle no one can actually what it means to "leave" that's the stupidity of the whole balls-up. All this talk of alternative deals is bo :censored locks, the EU isn't going to negotiate again.


Leave means leave, or it should do, it's just the means of leaving that's vague. May's deal should be date tied, so we leave fully at some stage (when we all have the same protections as the EU gave us, not trade wise).

Backstop is very real, if Ireland has a free border with NI then we have smuggling either way and it effects EU performance on policy matters. The politicization of the whole thing is to throw the GFA at it when sectarian violence and murders have been happening ever since it was agreed anyway, 71 deaths I believe.

The last sentence is something any leaver/remainer can wholly agree with I think.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #48 on: 08:34 - 30 April, 2019 »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #47 on: 07:58 - 30 April, 2019 »
I think the extension is simply going give them space for another referendum.

People vote remain this time and we pretend nothing happened.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #46 on: 07:47 - 30 April, 2019 »
No not quite that simple:

Do you want to LEAVE the EU? (No deal) (which sounds like "leave means leave"...except it doesn't mean that)

Do you want to leave the EU but still be tied in and give them money, but have no say over anything? (May deal)

Do you want to stay in the EU? ( as you were ...don't panic, don't panic, everything's under control!)


The Irish backstop was invented by the Irish Tuosirch tauouseeech Taoisearch Primeminister it was never an issue, even by the Irish until he used it for political ends only, and that's a big red herring too.  It's hardly going to go back to a militarised border even if it were custom posts - every other country that boarders on another country seems to manage, are we "special"?


That's the whole point of the whole debarcle no one can actually what it means to "leave" that's the stupidity of the whole balls-up. All this talk of alternative deals is bo :censored locks, the EU isn't going to negotiate again.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #45 on: 16:22 - 29 April, 2019 »
It's quite simple:

Do you want to leave the EU? (yes) (no)

We voted yes, so we should go (regardless of lies).

However, in my mind it should be on the basis of the relationship we have now and Parliament to change or amend those rules as we proceed over an agreed transition period. Those issues like Trade that require an individual agreement should have been completed over the last three years Mrs May and her band of incompetent twillocks.

So, from here on in, Labour should be the new government to agree a departure on two terms, trade, which would need particular exchange agreements and everything else which means UK should align itself totally with that 'everything else' so we have the same rules on the day we exit.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #44 on: 13:03 - 19 April, 2019 »
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #43 on: 22:19 - 18 April, 2019 »
I wasn't having a go at you ET. Leaving the EU on terms which are favourable to the UK and EU and detrimental to neither is what is sought. The EU has worked very hard to stem the migrant crisis and there has been little media and political recognition of it. Freedom of movement within the EU can be altered and is likely to be so to remove the threat of xenophobes wrecking economies. Reciprocal trade arrangements involving harmony with such a large market on the UK's doorstep seems inevitable if not necessary. The Brexiteers within the government have totally failed despite being given the opportunity to lead the exit. I hear nothing but the same calamitous scaremongering from Hypocritical Bastard and the racist UKIP - absolutely no plan, thinking, strategy or evidence of a solution. Just the chaos and division Mr Putin has wished for.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #42 on: 22:26 - 17 April, 2019 »
TBH. I don't actually know what's the right thing to do. The media circus can't be trusted. The politicians can't be trusted. No one actually knows. So to say that it isn't right is disingenuous whatever solution it has problems and challenges, and positives too, but how much and of what type. f  :censored ck knows.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #41 on: 22:20 - 17 April, 2019 »
I didn't say out. I said, you need to be one thing or the other.

The people voted out. (Albeit on false information...but that doesn't matter... apparently). Brexit means Brexit...I'm sure I heard that before.


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Re: Brexit
« Reply #40 on: 18:42 - 17 April, 2019 »
The same thinking behind a “hard” border exists for those that believe armed occupation and abuse of civilians and their murder is acceptable though termed “the troubles” and resistance against armed occupation is reprehensible and to be dealt with by shoot to kill policies, torture, surveillance, discrimination in the name of empire. It is very real and it is very likely.

Given the volume of trade of food, pharma, services, tech, materials that flows through the tunnel, roads and ports each day between the UK and our EU neighbours I have no conceptual belief in this idea of overnight global trade to immediately replace EU trade at the same price and speed without Ill effect. It’s the same thinking that a company without ships or shipping experience and Food delivery T&C’s might consider to be plausible for £12m of taxpayers money. Why? Because it will be those at the bottom of the shit heap suffering and paying for the lies of others. Maybe that £350m per week sloshing around will pay for everything...
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #39 on: 15:04 - 17 April, 2019 »
Being out doesn't mean not trading. Short term .. and only cos the govmint gave everything away, we'd be stuck on international trading rules, but we would also be free to trade withe whomever else we want... including China.

But any trade deals we can agree are purely on our own.  Currently a country trading with us is doing so as part of wider trade with Europe, so could have decent trade deals going on stuff they buy from us balanced by stuff the sell to another EU nation.  A trade deal with just us relies on us both having things the other one wants.

As for trade with China, the EU is China's largest trading partner, and China is the EU's second largest trade partner.  On the outside I wouldn't be surprised if trade deals with the US were dependant on curbing trade with China, as the US seem pretty keen to start a trade war with them at the moment.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #38 on: 13:48 - 17 April, 2019 »
The Irish border is an unfortunate fly in the ointment for Brexit.

I don't think anyone wants to see things go back, but it's a tricky one to deal with.  With a soft border, we leave the EU but have freedom of movement between a non-EU country and the EU.

With a hard border, it kicks off again.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #36 on: 13:10 - 17 April, 2019 »
Oh and Nancy Perlowski (spelling?) has confirmed that there’ll be no trade deal with the US if we break the Good Friday Agreement. So the Irish border is a big issue...